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Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:51:00 - [1] - Quote I love how this argument was lost before it even left the ground (by ground, im referring to the horrid 3rd party site from which it sprang) and yet, here it is, still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp". Here's a tip for all you risk averse cry babies in Nullsec: Move to highsec, or lowsec if you can hack it, and stop crying. You're making fools of yourself, beyond how foolish you normally look. Learning implants too expensive to replace? Don't use them. How difficult is that? Stop asking CCP to hold your hands and nerf learning implants for the rest of EVE because you can't make the retardedly simple decision to use them if you can afford it and not use them if you can't. "BAAAAAAAAH!!! But then ours noobs suffer from slow skill training. BAAAAAAAHH!!!" Then instruct those noobs about the risk / reward scenarios you're so fond of trotting out. Teach them how easy it is to setup jump clones (it's really ***** easy; hai Estel Arador and others). You could even, gasp, spread some of that sickening amount of wealth you hoard and do something that even Eve ***** University has figured out and provide +3 implants at a discounted rate. If Eve University can figure out a way to subsidize implants for it's noobs, i'm sure the great minds you have squirreled away in Null can come up with something similar.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:14:00 - [2] - Quote Andski wrote: your opinion is totally irrelevant to me though glad that my article made you so ***** angry in any case also I don't give a flying what Eve University does because they're not funding a gigantic supercapital fleet, they're not running a massive campaign nor do they have space to upgrade and pay for lol npc alts LOL! Delicious tears. Thank you for that. Keep crying about how expensive it is to fund your supercapital fleet and how unworthy your noobs are to see any of that ISK in their pockets and how hard it is for you and them to fund PVPing with learning implants and also how hard it is to setup jump clones. Keep pretending you dont care waht Eve University does while you troll their channels day in and day out recruiting from their ranks and giving their noobs awful, terrible advice. And dont stop responding to me despite how irrelevant I am. And, lastly, keep coming up with the terrible ***** ideas that even the people on your own terrible mouthpiece propaganda website will downvote into oblivion even before it reaches the masses of the Eve Forums. Come on, really, how pathetic do you feel when even the goons and testicls on that awful site wont back up your awful idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:18:00 - [3] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote Andski wrote: keep crying about our site, it's hilarious! But i thought it wasnt your site? I thought it was a bastion of unbiased and balanced "news reporting" unlike the ebil bad men who neber tell the truth about goons and test and everybody else who they arent affiliated with. Thanks for lifting the veil off that bunch of obvious lies and propaganda.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I love it when highsec/lowsec chars say "I PVP in +5s/5% hardwirings all the time, maybe you just suck at PVP". Yeah, let me know when that becomes relevant to the discussion. Nobody said that. Let us know when you're done being an idiot.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:23:00 - [6] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. What do you think is the first thing I tell noobies who complain about the price of +5s? I dont know Aruken? What do you tell them? HTFU? Stop crying? Go back to highsec? Steal mommy's credit card and buy some PLEX? How should I know what terrible advice you're offering to the idiots you hang around with?
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:24:00 - [7] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. So in other words, what you're saying is that people who PVP where they can be podded should be punished for it by either having to buy new +5s all the time, train SP slower than people who sit in hisec and do nothing but grind missions or rocks, or have to forego the occasional PVP because their jumpclone is still on cooldown. So, what you're saying is, people who intentionally PVP where they put their pods in greater danger than the rest of EVE should have the mechanics of the entire game changed to suit their playstyle and diminish the risks they take every time they undock or waddle out of range of the POS shields? COOOoooool.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:31:00 - [8] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: I love it when highsec/lowsec chars say "I PVP in +5s/5% hardwirings all the time, maybe you just suck at PVP". Yeah, let me know when that becomes relevant to the discussion. Nobody said that. Let us know when you're done being an idiot. Someone probably has - they have in other threads. If not, they were bound to. Right, when you're a brain dead Goon-pet, it's much easier just to make **** up than to actually come prepared to a discussion with silly things like facts or verifiable quotes.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:40:00 - [9] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Right, when you're a brain dead Goon-pet, it's much easier just to make **** up than to actually come prepared to a discussion with silly things like facts or verifiable quotes. razor's far higher on the totem pole than npc corps, though now, do you have something valuable to add to the discussion other than dismissing it as some kind of "null agenda?" what, you don't? Razor is barely higher on your fictional totem pole than NPC corps, and you goddamn well know it. Stop pandering. I've added much value to this discussion, you just don't agree with it. And, it's clearly a nullsec agenda since the people who would benefit most from removing the risk of losing learning implants while pvping are those who pvp in nullsec.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: So, what you're saying is, you don't want to even listen to ideas such as "remove learning implants, boost base stats" or "be able to unplug implants" because oh god it was suggested by people from nullsec. Okay, then. No, I listened to it alright. I just think it's a terrible idea, for many obvious reasons. Not because it was proposed by somebody from nullsec, it's just terrible in it's own right. That it benefits nullsec more than the rest of EVE is self-evident. That nullsec residents are crying for nerfs to all of EVE to benefit their style of gaming really isn't surprising as you do it all the time. That's not me being biased against nullsec, that's me being unbiased. Unlike, you know, the rag that this terrible idea came from.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:45:00 - [11] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Razor is barely higher on your fictional totem pole than NPC corps, and you goddamn well know it. Stop pandering. Well luckily our actual standing has nothing to do with the baseless opinion of some random pubbie. Suqq Madiq wrote: I've added much value to this discussion, you just don't agree with it. And, it's clearly a nullsec agenda since the people who would benefit most from removing the risk of losing learning implants while pvping are those who pvp in nullsec. Naturally, seeing as you don't have warp disruption fields anywhere else in the game. WAIT! HOLD UP! Are you trying to tell me that there are mechanics in nullsec that dont exist elsewhere in EVE and that those mechanics both make nullsec unique and increase the risk of existing in nullsec? HOLY ****! Somebody get CCP on the phone right now, we need to address this injustice.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:46:00 - [12] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Lord Zim wrote: So, what you're saying is, you don't want to even listen to ideas such as "remove learning implants, boost base stats" or "be able to unplug implants" because oh god it was suggested by people from nullsec. Okay, then. No, I listened to it alright. I just think it's a terrible idea, for many obvious reasons. Not because it was proposed by somebody from nullsec, it's just terrible in it's own right. That it benefits nullsec more than the rest of EVE is self-evident. That nullsec residents are crying for nerfs to all of EVE to benefit their style of gaming really isn't surprising as you do it all the time. That's not me being biased against nullsec, that's me being unbiased. Unlike, you know, the rag that this terrible idea came from. Glad you have to resort to calling me a "rag" to make your point. LOL. I'm not calling you a rag. Rag is another word for a newspaper or, in this case, a news website. Man it's funny when people make stupid mistakes like the one you just made.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:50:00 - [13] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Razor is barely higher on your fictional totem pole than NPC corps, and you goddamn well know it. Stop pandering. I've added much value to this discussion, you just don't agree with it. And, it's clearly a nullsec agenda since the people who would benefit most from removing the risk of losing learning implants while pvping are those who pvp in nullsec. So let's say that this would ONLY benefit nullsec PvPers and nobody else (which is blatantly untrue anyway) - who would it punish, assuming that anybody with a huge stockpile in implants is getting some form of compensation? That argument would be reasonable if this idea only benefited one group while punishing another - sound familiar? Who said this would ONLY benefit nullsec pvp? I certainly didn't. Was it you? I might have missed it. Lord Zim maybe? No, he just puppets whatever you say. I'm so lost.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:53:00 - [14] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Who said this would ONLY benefit nullsec pvp? I certainly didn't. Was it you? I might have missed it. Lord Zim maybe? No, he just puppets whatever you say. I'm so lost. Actually, you did Where did I say that? I didn't once say that. Stop making **** up, it makes you look stupid.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:55:00 - [15] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Who said this would ONLY benefit nullsec pvp? I certainly didn't. Was it you? I might have missed it. Lord Zim maybe? No, he just puppets whatever you say. I'm so lost. Nobody did, I'm just asking you who this would punish even if the extreme I stated was true. Thankfully, posting with a sockpuppet alt means that you can shitpost to your heart's content without it reflecting on you! WTF is going on? First you say I did say it, now you're saying i didnt. Then youre saying im a sockpuppet. Make up your goddamn mind.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:02:00 - [16] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Who said this would ONLY benefit nullsec pvp? I certainly didn't. Was it you? I might have missed it. Lord Zim maybe? No, he just puppets whatever you say. I'm so lost. Nobody did, I'm just asking you who this would punish even if the extreme I stated was true. Thankfully, posting with a sockpuppet alt means that you can shitpost to your heart's content without it reflecting on you! WTF is going on? I'm just asking you a question. Don't freak out. LOL, who's freaking out? You're the one who can't make up your mind about who or what I am. First I'm just an NPC alt. Then you claim I did say somehting, then you recant and say I didn't. Then you accuse me of sockpuppeting. Make up your mind.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:02:00 - [17] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: I just think it's a terrible idea, for many obvious reasons. And what are these "obvious reasons"? Still waiting. Terrible movie.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:12:00 - [18] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: LOL, who's freaking out? You're the one who can't make up your mind about who or what I am. First I'm just an NPC alt. Then you claim I did say somehting, then you recant and say I didn't. Then you accuse me of sockpuppeting. Make up your mind. So you're saying that the character you post with isn't an posting NPC sockpuppet alt? That sure is strange, since it's pretty obvious given the name, content of your posts and your NPC corp "affiliation." Now, tell me who this proposal would punish. It's an NPC alt, that's for sure, but since it's the only character I post with I would hardly call it a sockpuppet, given the definition of the word. But you'll believe what you want to believe regardless. As for who this proposal would punish, it doesn't really appear that it's intended to punish anybody, to be honest. To me, it simply seems like a plea to diminish the risks you (read: nullsec pvpers) take anytime you engage in the primary activity you moved to nullsec for. You signed up for nullsec knowing full well that it increased your risk of losing your pod and the implants you have plugged into that pod. You, I assume, were also aware of the mechanics of nullsec that were in place, specifically bubbles, that increased that risk and were willing to move to nullsec despite that increased risk. And yet, now you're pleading for CCP to remove that risk, in essence to make nullsec safer. You want the benefits of flying in Highsec or Lowsec with a head full of +5 learning implants while living in Nullsec. That, to me, is the most obvious flaw in your logic and the very reason that CCP will never, ever listen to this idea.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:14:00 - [19] - Quote Andski wrote: There is literally no benefit gained from flying with +5s versus parking them in a skillbook station clone. Of course there is benefit. The benefit is that you can play the game. Flying in space is the benefit, and what greater benefit could there be?
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:18:00 - [20] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Andski wrote: There is literally no benefit gained from flying with +5s versus parking them in a skillbook station clone. Of course there is benefit. The benefit is that you can play the game. Flying in space is the benefit, and what greater benefit could there be? What kind of an argument is that? No wonder you post with an NPC alt; you're too lazy to make arguments you can actually get behind. Are you saying that flying with +5 implants DOESN'T give you the benefit of both flying in space while skilling up at the fastest possible rate? Don't tell me that's what you're saying.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:20:00 - [21] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: As I stated in the 2nd part. Implants allow those who wish to spend the money to get a advantage over the norm, and since this is Eve there is risk attached to said advantage. You remove that and people who want that advantage and those who like to min/max **** will be asking for it again. Having implants the way it is, is a good balance for those who want a advantage and those who want to destroy that advantage. Edit: Guess I should have quoted who I was talking too. But then we get back to the another point. Fair enough if you dont mind risking your +5s then fair play. But then why are players in hisec exempt from nearly all risk of losing those +5s but still get all of the reward. It just doesn't scale right in my opinion. There's no upside than what you'd already get if you didnt want to yourself at risk in the first place. First, nobody is exempt from the risk of losing their implants. People get podded in highsec all the time. That was a terrible choice of an argument on your part. Second, of course the risk of losing your pod IS and SHOULD be higher in nullsec. That's one of the great things about nullsec is the increased risk.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:23:00 - [22] - Quote Andski wrote: But please keep thinking that this has anything to do with reducing the risk of living in nullsec. I don't need to think that. The idea stands on it's own as clearly diminishing the risk you take by actively being engaged in nullsec. It's self-evident. What you need to be arguing is why CCP should remove that risk instead of claiming that this wouldn't reduce it when it so obviously does.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:26:00 - [23] - Quote Andski wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: First, nobody is exempt from the risk of losing their implants. People get podded in highsec all the time. That was a terrible choice of an argument on your part. Second, of course the risk of losing your pod IS and SHOULD be higher in nullsec. That's one of the great things about nullsec is the increased risk. So tell me how learning implants are literally the only implants that exist in the game. Why would I tell you that? How stupid are you? You and I both know that learning implants aren't the only ones that exist in the game. When you come up with disingenuous or obviously sarcastic "points" like this to justify your terrible idea it really does end up making you look like an idiot.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote Andski wrote: You're the one trying to say that removing learning implants removes the risk of losing implants in nullsec. LOL! Again, not something I've ever said. What I said, specifically, is that removing learning implants removes the risk of losing learning implants in nullsec. Since it's clear you're only interested in putting words in my mouth I think I'm done with this conversation. I'll be able to sleep well knowing full well that CCP will never, ever implement this terrible idea and you can keep on putting words in my mouth instead of forming coherent arguments of your own. Toodles.

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